Comments on: Implementing a Social Web of Things http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/ Architecting the Web of Things, for techies and thinkers! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Why understanding REST is hard and what we should do about it – systematization, models and terminology for REST « Ivan Zuzak – blog http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4957 Why understanding REST is hard and what we should do about it – systematization, models and terminology for REST « Ivan Zuzak – blog Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:51:11 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4957 [...] often than not these discussion are not focused on REST per se, but on anything related to the Web, various specifics concerning current and future standards and so on. And even more often, the [...] [...] often than not these discussion are not focused on REST per se, but on anything related to the Web, various specifics concerning current and future standards and so on. And even more often, the [...]

]]> By: tamberg http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4234 tamberg Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:30:22 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4234 @Dominique: Even more than using "social networks as “access control lists” for sharing just as we do…" Fire Eagle is a hub for location sources and it manages which applications can access a User's Location with how much granularity. That's very similar to sharing e.g. your personal energy footprint with different types of energy meters in your house, car, ... and different applications accessing it, e.g. control interfaces to switch on/off your house's lights, high level energy usage sent to your electricity provider, simple status "today I used less energy than yesterday" sent to Facebook, ... Of course, this would still be centered around a data concept (energy) and sensors / actuators to influence it instead of Things and their (RESTful) interfaces in a broader sense. But this way you might simplify the task by providing a common semantic background. Cheers, tamberg @Dominique: Even more than using “social networks as “access control lists” for sharing just as we do…” Fire Eagle is a hub for location sources and it manages which applications can access a User’s Location with how much granularity.

That’s very similar to sharing e.g. your personal energy footprint with different types of energy meters in your house, car, … and different applications accessing it, e.g. control interfaces to switch on/off your house’s lights, high level energy usage sent to your electricity provider, simple status “today I used less energy than yesterday” sent to Facebook, …

Of course, this would still be centered around a data concept (energy) and sensors / actuators to influence it instead of Things and their (RESTful) interfaces in a broader sense. But this way you might simplify the task by providing a common semantic background.

Cheers,
tamberg

]]> By: Dominique Guinard http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4219 Dominique Guinard Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:18:42 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4219 Hi Tamberg, Cool plateform, first time I heard of it! I mean definitely, from a marketing point of view their motto is: "take your location to the Web (and share it)" and ours would be like: "take your things to the Web (and share them)". However, it gets a little more tricky when you look at the details. We actually want to share functionality not simply data so we need a way to describe what the devices (like this sensor can send you temperature measurements and here is how you ask for it) do... We impose a RESTful API in order to partially extract this information. The interesting similarity is that they use social networks as "access control lists" for sharing just as we do... When you think about it social networks are probably the best candidates for generating sense making ACLs. Except of course, for those users who accept friend requests from anybody. Hi Tamberg,

Cool plateform, first time I heard of it!
I mean definitely, from a marketing point of view their motto is: “take your location to the Web (and share it)” and ours would be like: “take your things to the Web (and share them)”.

However, it gets a little more tricky when you look at the details. We actually want to share functionality not simply data so we need a way to describe what the devices (like this sensor can send you temperature measurements and here is how you ask for it) do… We impose a RESTful API in order to partially extract this information.

The interesting similarity is that they use social networks as “access control lists” for sharing just as we do… When you think about it social networks are probably the best candidates for generating sense making ACLs. Except of course, for those users who accept friend requests from anybody.

]]> By: tamberg http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4209 tamberg Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:51:24 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4209 Reminds me of Fire Eagle (http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/) "an open platform that helps users take their location to the Web while giving them the ability to easily control how and where their location is shared." Just replace location by things. Regards, tamberg Reminds me of Fire Eagle (http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/) “an open platform that helps users take their location to the Web while giving them the ability to easily control how and where their location is shared.” Just replace location by things.

Regards,
tamberg

]]> By: Dominique Guinard http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4208 Dominique Guinard Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:19:23 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4208 Yeah actually that's one of the biggest burdens of working with Social APIs right now, they keep changing them and breaking the "API contract"... Ahhh if and only if they could all agree on ONE open-social like API and all respect it... but there is to much money in the game I guess... Anyways, I'll have a look asap! Thanks for the update. PS: I changed the name of your blog in our blogroll Yeah actually that’s one of the biggest burdens of working with Social APIs right now, they keep changing them and breaking the “API contract”…

Ahhh if and only if they could all agree on ONE open-social like API and all respect it… but there is to much money in the game I guess…

Anyways, I’ll have a look asap! Thanks for the update.

PS: I changed the name of your blog in our blogroll

]]> By: Daniel http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4134 Daniel Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:18:42 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4134 o...and only the Twitter works for now. Facebook has tweaked their API enough to screw up my plugin. o…and only the Twitter works for now. Facebook has tweaked their API enough to screw up my plugin.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4133 Daniel Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:08:59 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4133 yep, your vision is broader than what I've foreseen...that's why I like it ! Anyway, I had a firewall glitch with my server which is fixed now. You can access the prototype here: http://socialgrid.senseplanet.com Bear in mind that this is just the admin interface with which a user can register his connected things. I haven't released the client yet...it's coming. Time is not my friend right now. I work on this during my spare time which is not easy to handle..but fun! PS: thanks for the blog roll. If you can modify the blog name to "Sense PlaNet", it'd be awesome.....I know I am picky ;) yep, your vision is broader than what I’ve foreseen…that’s why I like it !
Anyway, I had a firewall glitch with my server which is fixed now.
You can access the prototype here: http://socialgrid.senseplanet.com

Bear in mind that this is just the admin interface with which a user can register his connected things.
I haven’t released the client yet…it’s coming. Time is not my friend right now. I work on this during my spare time which is not easy to handle..but fun!

PS: thanks for the blog roll. If you can modify the blog name to “Sense PlaNet”, it’d be awesome…..I know I am picky ;)

]]> By: Vlad Trifa http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4126 Vlad Trifa Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:07:29 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4126 by the way, check this out: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/social_networks_for_things.php damn, we're always behind dom!! We should really push this forward mate!! by the way, check this out:

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/social_networks_for_things.php

damn, we’re always behind dom!! We should really push this forward mate!!

]]> By: Dominique Guinard http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4122 Dominique Guinard Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:38:31 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4122 Btw, just added your blog to our blogroll, I think it's totally relevant to the Web of Things community: http://www.senseplanet.com/ Btw, just added your blog to our blogroll, I think it’s totally relevant to the Web of Things community: http://www.senseplanet.com/

]]> By: Dominique Guinard http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4121 Dominique Guinard Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:27:03 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4121 Hey Daniel, I actually spend like an hour on your website, really nice work, inspiring (btw I could not access the demo on http://socialgrid.senseplanet.com). I'll also deploy our prototype asap on our prototyping server (which is currently down) so that you can test it as well. While writing this paper and starting this project I was struggling to find related work, besides the Senseshare project (http://escholarship.org/uc/item/4919w4vh) I could not really find anything concrete related to the topic things + social networks. I mean I found lots of blog entries "conceptualizing" about it but nothing concrete. Nice to see that there are people actually working on it as well! I see slight differences between the approaches. Your focus seems to be on things communicating with social networks, ours is on things being shared over social networks. I think a combination of both is the winning concept! Thus, as Vlad said, a discussion would really be nice sometimes in the near future! Hey Daniel,

I actually spend like an hour on your website, really nice work, inspiring (btw I could not access the demo on http://socialgrid.senseplanet.com).

I’ll also deploy our prototype asap on our prototyping server (which is currently down) so that you can test it as well.

While writing this paper and starting this project I was struggling to find related work, besides the Senseshare project (http://escholarship.org/uc/item/4919w4vh) I could not really find anything concrete related to the topic things + social networks. I mean I found lots of blog entries “conceptualizing” about it but nothing concrete. Nice to see that there are people actually working on it as well!

I see slight differences between the approaches. Your focus seems to be on things communicating with social networks, ours is on things being shared over social networks. I think a combination of both is the winning concept!

Thus, as Vlad said, a discussion would really be nice sometimes in the near future!

]]> By: Daniel http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4116 Daniel Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:46:22 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4116 sure thing....my skype is "daniel.kaplan" ...we can set up a call sure thing….my skype is “daniel.kaplan” …we can set up a call

]]> By: Vlad Trifa http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4114 Vlad Trifa Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:02:21 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4114 sweet daniel! Thanks and nice hearing about your work! We should do a skype or so at some point, we'd love to know more about your work. sweet daniel! Thanks and nice hearing about your work! We should do a skype or so at some point, we’d love to know more about your work.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.webofthings.org/2010/02/02/sharing-in-a-web-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-4111 Daniel Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:10:10 +0000 http://www.webofthings.com/?p=518#comment-4111 Very good article! I've been working exactly on this topic and have developed a Web Service to tie social networks and sensors together. The vision is to build a platform to convey data from sensors to social networks. By having this middleware, we can foresee slew of applications such as sensor updating status as well as rich applications ( social gaming, things as friend,...). Refer to http://senseplanet.com ! Very good article! I’ve been working exactly on this topic and have developed a Web Service to tie social networks and sensors together. The vision is to build a platform to convey data from sensors to social networks. By having this middleware, we can foresee slew of applications such as sensor updating status as well as rich applications ( social gaming, things as friend,…).
Refer to http://senseplanet.com !

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